to ban it, and biden said now we live in a society where we're telling everybody else how to live by law. does he charge at romney, who's been dodge-balling this issue for weeks now? >> sure. abortion is one of those issues where it's harder to make us sort of tack to the center. you're on one side or you're on the other side. to some extent one of the things i noticed is that no social issues came up at all and it worked to romney's advantage, because he was able to make this rhetorical shift and moderate a lot of his -- chris: single women going to him in those days afterwards. >> but abortion is a much harder issue to do that on. >> but there is a center, a place, and bill clinton defined it -- safe, legal and rare. that was a winning formulation for president clinton for a long time. >> but legal. that's the dividing line. chris: aimed almost directly at liberal catholics. >> i'll say two things, first, biden, apart from stopping the democratic panic the other night and drawing contrasts, the other thing that he accomplished was on these issues. abortion, one, afghanistan another, me